Luka Balvan | Zlatko Sudac | Frane Franic | Mirjana Dragicevic Soldo | Jakov Colo | Jozo Zovko | Ivan Dragicevic | Vicka Ivankovic-Mijatovic | Marija Pavlovic-Lunetti

VISIONARY MARIJA PAVLOVIC-LUNETTI:
MEETINGS WITH OUR LADY ARE FILED WITH LOVE

Many of you have visited Medjugorje countless times and taken your experiences to homes and parishes. Many of you base your pilgrimage on visiting Medjugorje hills and taking part in evening prayer programs, but only a few have an honor to meet the visionaries and hear their stories. This time we talk with visionary Marija Pavlovic-Lunetti.

* How did your first meeting with Our Lady on June 25, 1981 look like?
- I couldn't even dream of Our Lady appearing to me. When Our Lady appeared for the first time I couldn't sleep. I was asking myself why me, why us? We felt fear and joy at the same time. We felt great happiness when Our Lady was with us. On the third day Vicka's grandmother told me to take holy water and bless Our Lady saying: "If you are from God stay with us and if you aren't then leave." For first couple of days we were confused and were left without answers for many questions.

* How did you know this woman you see was Our Lady?
- By Her looks. On the first day She came with small Jesus in Her arms. She didn't look like a person who is living among us. That was obvious by Her beauty and dress. Everything seemed supernatural.

* Describe one meeting with Our Lady. Do you always pray before apparitions? How do you know that She is coming?
- In the beginning we didn't know when and at what time She'd be appearing. We always ask Her if She will come tomorrow. She used to say: "Tomorrow at the same time, or at midnight, or at 2 AM." We asked her each time and prepared ourselves with prayers. A few seconds before Her arrival, light was appearing and even today the light still comes three times.

* What do you talk about with Our Lady? Who speaks first? Do you ask questions?
- From the beginning we are used to talking with Our Lady the way She wants and how long She wants. She lets us ask a few questions and to recommend some people. When Our Lady stays in silence we know we can ask Her a question. Then we pray in a special way for a sick child or a priest, because priests are Her beloved sons. Our Lady stays many times and lets us recommend those in need.

* In all these years is there a connection to a place or time of apparition?
- Our Lady is never bound to a place. Nevertheless, the right place for us is the place of the apparition. Our Lady appears now at our homes. She appears to us everyday at 7:45 PM. Wherever I am, Our Lady appears at that time. When 6 PM approaches we pray the Rosary. We are connected with Medjugorje and its church because Our Lady wanted that from the beginning, when the police forbade us to go to the Apparition Hill. When we've asked Our Lady what we should do, She's said that we need to go to church where we'll be protected. Our Lady asks us to pray the Rosary and celebrate holy mass.

* You've mentioned Our Lady's looks. Can you give us the precise description, if it's even possible in human words?
- Our Lady comes as a person, but Her appearance, beauty of Her face, nose and mouth is impossible to describe. When painters ask us to describe Our Lady for them, it is impossible. Each time Our Lady wears a gray dress, white veil and a crown of stars. She never touches the ground, but comes on a cloud. During holidays, like Christmas, She wears more beautiful dresses interlaced with gold threads. Our Lady comes bathed in a beautiful light that enhances Her beauty. It isn't like make-up girls use to cover up imperfections. It is supernatural, divine beauty that we feel at that moment, because with Her there is no night, no darkness. We fell in love with Her and we are ready to sacrifice anything for Her. We are connected with Her and She loves us and leads us to God. That's our deep experience.

* On the first day Our Lady appeared with baby Jesus in Her arms. Has She appeared with the baby ever again?
- The same thing repeats every Christmas. Then we feel joy and fullness of presence of little Jesus. The first time She came with baby Jesus, He looked at us twice and the third time he turned around and winked at Her. From that moment we fell in love with Him. We've realized that God loves us and that's the reason He sends His mother to us. When we are happy, we talk to Our Lady about Jesus, his beauty and what we've experienced through all those years.

* You've seen baby Jesus, what about grown up or sad Jesus?
- When we came back from Mostar, where they took us for interrogation, we were frightened because of threats. We were children and it wasn't easy for us. We were crying and thaen Our Lady would come and stay with us for 45 minutes or an hour to comfort us, so later we could help the priests, nuns and people who were there, to encourage them to believe that God and Our Lady are with us. All those meetings were fulfilled with love. When Our Lady comforted us, She showed us how crowned Jesus suffers with a thorn crown, with blood pouring down his face.

* Visionaries have different experiences. Some of them never touched Our Lady, neither She touched them. What is your experience?
- Deep. My experience with Our Lady is very deep. From the beginning I wanted to be closer to Her. When it was an important day for me I was hopping Our Lady will remember it. In those cases Our Lady hugged me a few times. She asked us to fast and we thought we needed to fast for five days. Than I got sick and I couldn't fast any more. I was sad because I presented novena to Our Lady for which I believed wasn't perfect because it wasn't finished with fasting. Our Lady said that novena was presented with great love and She said: "Today is a holiday. You have a nicer pajamas in your closet, wear it so you know it is a holiday!" Sundays and weekdays were the same to me. I wanted to please everyone. I thought that I was working for God and that I don't have the right to rest. Than Our Lady said: "Well, it is Sunday for you too!" From these little things I started to learn. Sunday became holy to me. Our Lady encourages me and helps me to become a better person. Now when I've become a mother and a wife, She helps me to merge holiness and everyday life into a whole.

* Did Our Lady say to you why She specifically chose six of you and the parish of Medjugorje?
- We asked Her from the beginning why She had chosen us, as we weren't the best choices. She told us that God let Her choose us and Medjugorje parish because there are still believers.

* Many people ask why apparitions last for so long?
- Because Our Lady loves us and I really see that all of this is from love.

* You, Ivan and Vicka still have apparitions on a daily basis and Mirjana, Ivanka and Jakov only once a year. They received all ten secrets and you received only nine. They are secrets so we can't talk about them. But can you tell me something in general about those secrets? Are they the same for all of you? Do you talk about the secrets?
- I know that some of them are the same, because She gave them at the same time. Some of them are different and Our Lady told us to guard them until She says that it's all right to share them.

* I've heard those secrets are connected to Medjugorje parish, future of the world and the Church. Is this true?
- Yes, it's true.

* One of those secrets is the sign that the Queen of peace promised to put on the Apparition Hill. Do you know when this will happen and what kind of a sign will it be?
- I know which sign it is, but Our Lady didn't say when it would happen.

* I've read somewhere that everybody will be able to see it, but not everyone will be able to touch it. Is this true?
- I don't know.

* Recently it could be heard that Our Lady said She'd continue to appear after the sign.
- We don't know. Maybe it'll be like in the case of Jakov, Mirjana and Ivanka. Maybe She will give us tenth secret and continue with the apparitions.

* In your opinion, why did Our Lady appear? Why has God by Mary been speaking to this world for over twenty years?
- Theologists and priests who come to Medjugorje think that God comes in the time of crisis. Catholic Europe is so pagan, the young grow up without the faith, but Our Lady encourages us to put God on the first place in our lives. God sends his Mother to the world in a wise way. She's experienced all our sufferings. Under the cross She became the Mother to all Christians. She came in a beautiful way to say that She is our Mother. It doesn't matter what is your color of skin, who you are and where you come from, She always repeats: "I am your mother and I love you."

* On the 25th of the month Our Lady gives messages through you. From March 1, 1984 to January, 1987 She was giving messages every Thursday. Then She stopped giving messages for parish on Thursdays and now She gives them every 25th of the month. Do you know why Our Lady had especially chosen you? There is a nice moment that late fr. Zovko used to talk about when you felt under pressure because of Our Lady's choice of you, because you thought you wouldn't be able to spread the messages.
- When the time for the message comes I feel a pressure. I pray in a special way, I'm fasting and preparing for the meeting. We know It is an especially, merciful time on the 25th of the month. Each time I could feel Our Lady speaking in a profound way. In the beginning She was speaking to the parish, later when people from all over the world started coming, She started to lead us on the path of holiness in specific, spiritual way. I see that people follow all the messages from the beginning and have become holy with Medjugorje and the Queen of peace.

* Some messages are longer and some shorter. Do you remember them each time?
- After apparition I write everything down. There is also a group of people who translate messages right away and forward them. When Our Lady gives the message I feel depth of Her words and their beauty, but when I put them on the paper, they seem so plain. Still, I know those are God's words and each time I call Him for help.

* In Medjugorje, Our Lady introduced Herself as the Queen of peace proclaiming to bring peace to mankind. All these twentyseven years She's been telling us the means of achieving peace, the most important message being the one from June 26, 1981. At that time you've had another meeting with Her on the Apparition Hill, at the place where the Wooden cross was put. Can you remember what happened then?
- It was a little further from the cross. I was coming back from the hill like every night. I was going home, when Our Lady appeared one more time. Behind Her was a big cross without Jesus. Our Lady started crying and asking us to pray for peace that comes from God, peace in our hearts, peace in our families and peace in the world. After that, when we asked Her who she was, she said: "I am the Queen of peace."

* Can you turn back and remember how your life has changed in these twentyseven years of daily meetings with Our Lady in and out of Medjugorje?
- My life changed completely. First of all, for me God isn't unreachably high in Heavens any more, I can see him here by my side and around my family. At the same time, Our Lady's presence helped me find God and choose holiness. If there wasn't Our Lady and apparitions, I wouldn't live as I live now.

* You've mentioned your family, you have the husband and four children. How do they face the fact that God by Mary has chosen you in a special way?
- Children live in those surroundings. They are still young and they pray the Rosary with me when they feel like it, and every evening before they go to sleep, we pray spontaneous prayers. The youngest one, Marko, always says: "Thank you, Our Lady for being with us." We consider Our Lady as a member of our family and that's something huge and precious for us. When reporters visit and want to take a photo of them, my children say they aren't important and I let them decide if they will take a photo or not. As a family we dedicated ourselves to the Heart of Jesus and the Heart of Mary, and we want to be holy.

* Most of the year you live in the Northern Italy, with fast way of life. Is it possible to stop that rush and dedicate to family prayer?
- If I don't plan my day I see it's wasted on stupid, insignificant things, which aren't important. I have a lot of obligations and I must do everything in a hurry, so my friends keep telling me that I'm speeding like a bullet. I always plan my time and I always have time for holy mass and reading the Holy Scripture. Regardless of fast way of life, you can always find the time for prayer. If you love God, you will find time.

* Marija, How does it feel to live as a visionary in this world?
- Wonderful! Although, our life is difficult, we are always with pilgrims and always have to be exemplary in speaking, dressing and with our families. Our Lady says: "Choose the holiness." Today it's hard to be a Christian because the world offers us much easier way of life, but I've made my choice and I would never change it.

* What can we do for Our Lady, the Queen of peace? What does Our Lady expect from Her people?
- Well, Our Lady asks us to come closer to Her, through Her we fall in love with God and God becomes the center of our lives.

* Lately in your meetings is Our Lady happy or sad?
- Our Lady is always satisfied. She always asks from us to be ready to answer to Her messages with more passion and love.

* What would you, after all the messages Our Lady gave, recommend to the world?
- Our Lady asks from us to live and to except Her messages. She says that we are all in Her plan. That means we can all help in realization of Her messages. Her most important messages are messages of peace. Peace comes only from a prayer, from God, peace in our families, peace in our hearts, peace in the world. Our Lady says that each prayer that comes from our hearts is dear to God. This is why She says that we need to pray until the prayer becomes a joy to us. She asks us in a special way to pray the Rosary, because this prayer is especially dear to Her. She says to put the Holy Scripture at the visible place, so our family can read it every day. Also She tells us to ask a blessing from God before any job. She also said that with prayer and fast we could stop the wars, but not just those in the world but also those in our hearts and in our families. We aren't satisfied and that is why Our Lady is asking us to convert, to change and to put God at the first place. She called us to choose a priest as our spiritual leader, so we can confess to him and in that way become closer to God and to put holy mass in the center of our lives.

At the end we can say that visionaries have been given a lot of gifts, but we see that they carry a certain weigh. We call all of you to include Medjugorje visionaries in your family prayers, so that they would be the true witnesses of Our Lady presence in Medjugorje, and according to Medjugorje, all over the world.